RP event: Homecoming

[Malon and Turtle]

Following on from the speech at Moonrise, I was thinking of an event to welcome heroes home. This could be a nice thing to do in conjunction with Mithril Guard and perhaps Light of Argus.

The basic idea would be some kind of ceremony to welcome heroes home from the north and to offer healing and advice to those affected by their experiences in battle. I see martial aspects to this (nudges Sil) and a healing side (priests and druids). Anyone interested in discussing this idea to flesh it out a bit?

Some observations:
This could involve a wide array of people, with the possibility that death knights and warlocks would attend. There's a nice possibility of conflict here, and Malon is certainly of the opinion that death knights should probably at this point go to their graves now that their work is done. With a few guilds involved we can mitigate this problem by allowing more flexible guilds to take care of the people who the nelfs would generally shun.

I'm not sure which venue we should use, but perhaps one of the harbours would work. (Stormwind, Menethil, Darny). I'm reluctant to go with Darny due to the problems in dealing with undesirable types.

Update:

This has been cross-posted on the following forums:

lightofargus.wowrpg.org/light-of-argus-f10/possible-rp-event-idea-for-you-t337.htm
www.mithrilguard.org/MGforumMG/index.php?topic=134.0

So far we have a positive response from Light of Argus. Still waiting to hear from the dorfs.

[Silathin Starseeker]

I like the idea, I think it has lots of potential.

When taking into account the guilds you are mentioning, how big do you aim for this event to be? Both Light of Argus and the Mithril Guard are large guilds that have many members turn up at events (at least at the few I've seen) so taking that into account plus the random others that would come along, it could get pretty massive.

Sil could share thoughts about how to deal with the horrors and conflicts you encounter in battle sure, but what would make people listen to her? She is young, by kaldorei standards, and not nearly as battle hardened or experienced through centuries of martial training as many other characters are. She is "just" a soldier and does not carry any rank or anything else that would make others listen rather than try to bring their own lecture.

Which raises another question. Is it a dialoge and discussion forum event you are thinking of, a counsel and advice offering event or something completely different?

[Malon and Turtle]

I think we could play it the way we do Moonrise. Initial ceremony, but then the rest of it is breaks up in to smaller sections. Kind of like a market where people put up a stall and do their thing. It allows a nice diverse mix. This allows a bit of a "trade show" approach where people can pick and choose what they want. I'd hate to see it turned in to a long session of sitting and watching others do all the talking.

The key thing I think will be trying to overcome the "Ha, I slew the lich king with my bare hands and then cartwheeled all the way back to Azeroth!" syndrome. I'm hoping for a slightly more sombre atmosphere, since surely most people returning would have lost friends and allies.

I don't think that expert advice is needed any more than a marriage counsellor would not be taken seriously unless they'd been married many times. I'll be around Tuesday or Wednesday so I'll try to run through some ideas in the chat channel. There's also some IC stuff to build up to support this.

I'll pop over to the Guard and Light of Argus to get their opinions. It's why I posted this in the public section of the forums.

[Silathin Starseeker]

I think it's a bad thing if a marriage counselor has been married many times.. isn't it?

[Malon and Turtle]

Apr 26, 2010 23:09:25 GMT 1 Silathin Starseeker said:

I think it's a bad thing if a marriage counselor has been married many times.. isn't it?

Heh heh, I think that is a debatable point.

I've made a post over on the Mithril Guard forums. I think you'll be able to reads this without needing an account:

www.mithrilguard.org/MGforumMG/index.php?topic=134.0

[Silathin Starseeker]

(we -almost- need a thread to debate the mono vs. poly married marriage counseler )

Yup, the thead in the Mithril Guard forum is readable

[Throethalen]

I rather like the idea Malon, but like Sil says it might get very huge so you gotta be sure you want to do this.
Otherwise, again a very nice idea! Nice to see so many creative people in the guild!

[Throethalen]

Hah! You made a blunder! You wrote I to the dwarves. ;D

Edit: I guess I should've read abit longer..

[Malon and Turtle]

Apr 27, 2010 20:38:16 GMT 1 Throethalen said:

I rather like the idea Malon, but like Sil says it might get very huge so you gotta be sure you want to do this.
Otherwise, again a very nice idea! Nice to see so many creative people in the guild!

Yeah, it could be big, so I think the idea of decentralising it would help support that. Aside from the basic ceremony, the aim is to provide a theme in which people can roleplay. I don't like RP that is too orchestrated, so this allows people to pretty much branch off and do their own thing. That makes it difficult for anyone to monopolise the event and it also allows some variety.

I spoke with someone else from Light of Argus today and we thought that Menethil is a good spot for this. We have the harbour, with a boat from Northrend, and also there are lots of nearby buildings for people to use. I considered theramore but the buildings are too spread out, and Stormwind harbour is a bit too sparse.

By the way, I made a post on the Light of Argus forums:

lightofargus.wowrpg.org/chat-corner-f8/possible-rp-event-idea-for-you-t337.htm#1724

We arr clevurh and mayke hooman write things fur us fur not many coyns!

[Silathin Starseeker]

I've always liked Menethil. It's a nice and quiet place, although rather wet and muddy.

Better check that someone isn't claiming that the chosen location isn't "theirs", like in people living on the boat.

[Malon and Turtle]

Apr 27, 2010 22:35:49 GMT 1 Silathin Starseeker said:

I've always liked Menethil. It's a nice and quiet place, although rather wet and muddy.

Better check that someone isn't claiming that the chosen location isn't "theirs", like in people living on the boat.

Pah, this world belongs to us!

Perhaps on a Sunday evening (this week or the next) we can establish an OOC chat channel to bounce around a few ideas between us, and then we can look at an IC way to form the event and plan it. I like Sil's approach of trying keep the planning as IC as possible, but we'll need some OOC talk to flesh out the basic idea and establish a date and time for the event. The IC side could be introduced when we Light of Argus come to visit the nelfs, and the same approach could be taken when we get around to visiting the dorfs.

[Silathin Starseeker]

You mean that we, the kaldorei (and shadow sentinels at that!), would sneak out of our shells and initiate contact with something on the "outside"? (self irony is fun! )

On a second thought, Menethil is also great because it is the 2nd launching point for ships going to Northrend. It lies outside the human jurisdiction of Stormwind which many have trouble with (and a sizable force, even if peaceful, of other races could be seen as a threat by the humans and the insanity king). Menethil is multi racial (dwarves and humans) and more open. It's a good place

Making an ooc channel to discuss the details of how, what, why and where is a good idea. Noone says for us to script it there, but more brainstorm it, bounce ideas and flesh it out. Like making a draft or making the outlines of a picture we then colour when we go IC. (ramble ramble). I like! Just don't place the ooc talk on top of guild meetings. That is bad as it will distract from concrete matters at hand. (I already grumble too much about people focusing on /w and ooc chat channels rather than the guild meeting or rp at hand when they're doing it.)

[Malon and Turtle]

Apr 28, 2010 12:06:06 GMT 1 Silathin Starseeker said:

You mean that we, the kaldorei (and shadow sentinels at that!), would sneak out of our shells and initiate contact with something on the "outside"? (self irony is fun! )

Heh heh, to avoid contact would be to forsake the responsibility to act as keepers of the world. Besides, we need to be sure that those space goats aren't going to be crashing any more space ships in our lands.

I'm trying to encourage people to play as they want to, so we can introduce the very real conflicts present when people return home from war. Malon is certainly not going to welcome warlocks home, and will take a very specific stance towards death knights. I think that bias and prejudice is at its most entertaining when places in a situation where people either confront or express such things. I suppose the classic example of that is Alf Garnet.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alf_Garnett

With more rigid RP concepts there's the risk that it becomes an unrealistic "mental masturbation" thing, kind of the way in which evil guilds often end up doing nothing but sitting around talking about evil, so no-one outside the group even knows that they're evil. We have a pretty good reputation for traditional nelf RPing, and it's see how that translates in to "fish out of water" situations.

[Silathin Starseeker]

"fish out of water"

Was that an intentional pun on part of my nickname?

Damn reckless sunday drivers them Draenei. They drink, hang on street corners and play loud bippety-bop music too!

Joking aside.

I think we would have to play the anti-warlock/dk sentiment a little careful. Yes, they are a demon infested tainted lot which eventually will fall to the Fel, some sooner some later, but if we welcome heroes home and they come as a group with others that aren't nasty fel people then it would probably feel very unpleasant for them. We might not hail and praise the individuals but a delicate touch could be required to not ostracise them altogether either.

The above being said, it of course also depends on what the intent with this event is, and who the warlocks are. Some warlock players, like my former "self", enjoy being a warlock and being treated as one when "we" reveal our nature. Others do not like it, mainly on the ooc level. So thoughts on how heavy the IC view/treatment will be, should be weighed against thoughts about how we wish the players behind the characters to feel, as well as the actual ic characters. What is heavier, hardline ic reactions or doing something nice for as many we get? (naturally draenei, nelves and dwarves don't have warlocks so it might be a moot issue but it bears merit to think about still).

I know it sounds big, but it's really just a storm in a glass of water. It's not as big at all, just needs a thought or two

[Malon and Turtle]

Apr 28, 2010 13:24:40 GMT 1 Silathin Starseeker said:

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I think we would have to play the anti-warlock/dk sentiment a little careful. Yes, they are a demon infested tainted lot which eventually will fall to the Fel, some sooner some later, but if we welcome heroes home and they come as a group with others that aren't nasty fel people then it would probably feel very unpleasant for them. We might not hail and praise the individuals but a delicate touch could be required to not ostracise them altogether either.

Definitely. That's why I advised against using kaldorei lands for this. We don't have to tolerate warlocks etc. when they're in our lands, but being in Menethil we would find ourselves obliged to be in some way tolerant of those people.

I'd say let people play it as they wish, and I'd trust us to remain within the realms of plausibility. i.e. someone whose character simply cannot tolerate hunters would have to avoid hunters or just skip the entire event if their only possibility would be to react in a very disruptive fashion.